[vsnet-alert 11293] CSS090622:170344+090835 = Catalina transient

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Thu Jun 25 23:52:49 JST 2009


According to the CRTS page, the following object is classified as a CV
in outburst.  The amplitude suggests an SU UMa-type superoutburst.

CSS090622:170344+090835         255.93144        9.14299        14.57    5.93   20090622        906221090914122502  no      22502   yes     2009-06-22      22502   CV mag 20,5 PQ/DSS obj

and has been so noted for several days at both

http://nesssi.cacr.caltech.edu/catalina/Allns.html

and the specific Bright CV table at

http://nesssi.cacr.caltech.edu/catalina/BrightCV.html

which also noted it's identity at that time.

Observers should also note the very adjacent and potentially problematic field star, as eg in these images

<http://nesssi.cacr.caltech.edu/catalina/20090622/906221090914122502.html>

Meanwhile, although correlation is not proof of cause and effect, it should be noted that

<http://ooruri.kusastro.kyoto-u.ac.jp/pipermail/vsnet-alert/2009-June/002900.html>

fails to give a link to the source data, whilst Kato Taichi's emails have almost always done so until recently, eg:-

<http://ooruri.kusastro.kyoto-u.ac.jp/pipermail/vsnet-alert/2009-May/002883.html>
<http://ooruri.kusastro.kyoto-u.ac.jp/pipermail/vsnet-alert/2009-May/002882.html>
<http://ooruri.kusastro.kyoto-u.ac.jp/pipermail/vsnet-alert/2009-May/002833.html>

the correlation being that the omission  coincides with the new practice of the CSS transient people to give their own full identifiers at the head of their summary pages for objects they have released with their own classification and their request that people use those, and also their request quoting the relevant paper if any data are used.

"CRTS Transient ID CSS090622:170344+090835
(When using CRTS data please cite Drake et al. 2009, ApJ, 696, 870 and our ID.)"

Yet he still persists in renaming their discoveries with his OT agenda, discoveries they already note as being CV candidates, or note as being CVs.  Something that is not done with many another obscure CV name, as there are several others around that do not strictly follow CDS/IAU recommendations.  He now also gives inadequate provenance despite never having had any trouble quoting Pojmanski's paper for ASAS data, and having shown much evidence of past perusal of the reference pages via linking to them previously.  The direct links don't come automatically, you know, if you've used them, you've hunted for them and thus know they exist.

Professionals and amateurs alike should reflect on the thought that such attitudes, should they proliferate or even be thought of as to be widely held, may adversally affect the data release policies of several surveys due to come online in the near and far future.  The Catalina Realtime Transient Survey seems willing to still release data irrespective of encroachment upon intellectual property rights.  This is the opposite of the norm.

Such pissing about with the renaming of other people's discoveries for no valid or meaningful reason does no good but has the potential to do much harm, especially when later measures can seem to be taken in order to sidestep changes evidently instated to negate such behaviour, revealing the likelihood of active intent.  Despite correlation not being the same as proof of cause and effect, the bleeding obvious is still the bleeding obvious.

John Greaves


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