[vsnet-alert 11304] Re: re provenance of stuff off of me

[Joachim Krautter]

Dear Taichi,

I thought vsnet-alert should inform about new and unexpected astronomical 
events. I am very surprised that 'redvars' (John Greaves) can bother all 
vsnet users with his rubbish.


Cheers,
     Joachim Krautter


On Fri, 3 Jul 2009, redvars at fastmail.co.uk wrote:

>
> I remember and note looking back at old emails that I've often wittered
> on about data sets and stars and said folk are free to do what they want
> with them without even feeling half a need to acknowledge myself or the
> post involved.
>
> Directly due to Nicholson this has changed of late, as I stated recently
> in an avson posting.
>
> It's not just the dropping of provenance, it's the insinuation made by
> some authors that it was all their own doing instead that's brought
> about my change in attitude.  It's a general thing, occuring beyond this
> issue and not even in context to me.  VSNET alerts can end up being
> source references for CRTS transients already published in ADS and
> SIMBAD linked ATELs, for instance.  What the hell's all that about?
>
> Recent instances occur where a professional astronomer sees the need to
> distance the source from a discovery and used the excuse that his
> spreadsheet column couldn't cope with the width of the name the other
> professionals, the discoverers, were using.  It's getting a bit
> commonplace is this sort of behaviour.
>
> There're are even mails of mine to vsnet alert that are echoed on .edu
> coursework nodes, labelled wrong albeit attributed correctly to me, but
> making me look a prat because it's damn obvious the graphs and plots
> can't be what the figure caption says, coz I gave no figure caption,
> just text and a tinypic url.
>
> I think it's all too damn easy in the computer age.  Proper literature
> work and perusal is dying in some areas, despite ADS and SIMBAD and
> VizieR utility and availability.  Just bung it in the black box and
> publish the stuff that gets spat out.  Or quote summat like kiddies
> doing their homework off of wikipedia in the worst cases.
>
> Anyway, getting sidetracked here: Yep, do what the hell you want with
> it, if it is of use that's great, hope you enjoy your astro, I'm glad,
> if it ain't, well, just ignore it, _however_, let's have some
> acknowledgement in there in future, if it has been of use or utility
> that is, because at least one bloke likes to partway insinuate he came
> up with it himself, and coz of that he's well soured my attitude, thah
> noz.
>
> Cheers
>
> John
>
> John Greaves
>
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